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[17:02] * Now talking in #wikimedia-au | |||
[17:02] * Topic is 'Welcome to the Wikimedia Australia IRC Channel. Next public meeting is on July 1st at 5 PM AEST (http://time.is/5pm_in_Sydney/Darwin/Adelaide/Perth/Brisbane/Auckland/Vancouver). This channel may be logged.' | |||
[17:02] * Topic set by Bidgee|Away!Bidgee@wikimedia-commons/bidgee on Sunday, 03 June 2012 at 20:52:46 | |||
[17:02] * Statistics: 1 Ops, 20 Users (Total: 21) | |||
[17:03] <Graham87> hi Anne | |||
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[17:04] <frazerwa> hi Graham | |||
[17:04] <sDrewth> probably russavia | |||
[17:05] <sDrewth> done the bins, checked the flooding, come back inside | |||
[17:06] <Graham87> the flooding? | |||
[17:06] <sDrewth> I use the flooding lightly, just lots of water flowing through the low parts of the block | |||
[17:06] <Graham87> ah not so bad then | |||
[17:07] <sDrewth> nah, we live at altitude, so if we flood Werribee and Geelong are doomed | |||
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[17:07] <sDrewth> there has been a lot of rain though | |||
[17:08] <Graham87> Hi Brian | |||
[17:08] <brian__> Hi folks. I just had to reinstall chatzilla on a new machine and it is not using my usual nick. Never mind. | |||
[17:09] <foks> Oh, yes, today's July 1! | |||
[17:09] <foks> Woopsie. | |||
[17:09] <sDrewth> need to do your tax return? | |||
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[17:10] <foks> ...yes. bollocjs. | |||
[17:10] <foks> *ks | |||
[17:11] <jayvdb> I've started our GLAM report http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/June_2012/Contents/Australia_and_New_Zealand_report | |||
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[17:14] <foks> Hello Chris! | |||
[17:14] <jayvdb> wb Chris | |||
[17:14] <Graham87> hi Chris | |||
[17:16] <Graham87> previous edit to GLAM report was me, forgot to log on | |||
[17:16] <jayvdb> as some of you may know, I am over in Indonesia atm. the main project I am working on is a Wikisource project with Wikimedia Indonesia. They are running a competition to transcribe https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Index:A_dictionary_of_the_Sunda_language_of_Java.djvu | |||
[17:17] <jayvdb> winner gets a trip to Jakarta to the screening of Truth in Numbers. | |||
[17:17] <jayvdb> prize capped at ~$USD 200 | |||
[17:18] <jayvdb> resulting activity can be seen at https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:RecentChangesLinked/Index:A_dictionary_of_the_Sunda_language_of_Java.djvu | |||
[17:20] <jayvdb> it would be good if we ran a similar competition to transcribe something like https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Index:An_Australian_language_as_spoken_by_the_Awabakal.djvu | |||
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[17:21] <Addi|HIMYM> Oh, hello all :-) | |||
[17:24] <foks> jayvdb, sounds like a good idea! | |||
[17:25] <sDrewth> <- can think of better things to be doing in Indonesia than transcriptions | |||
[17:25] <sDrewth> <sowwy> | |||
[17:27] <jayvdb> I can think of better places in Indonesia to be than Jakarta | |||
[17:27] <Graham87> what are your impressions of the place? Wikitravel says it's more than a little chaotic, for a start | |||
[17:28] <sDrewth> fair call, I know no better either way | |||
[17:29] <jayvdb> Graham87: is certainly is that | |||
[17:29] <jayvdb> https://twitter.com/jayvdb/status/218571523299098624 | |||
[17:30] <jayvdb> and I spend way more time in taxis than I want | |||
[17:30] <jayvdb> I suspect that this is why they use mobile technology so much - they are stuck in traffic | |||
[17:31] <frazerwa> the compilation of the dictionary looks very interesting | |||
[17:31] <Graham87> @jayvbd: oh gawd, I thought Rome was bad ... | |||
[17:31] <jayvdb> sDrewth: are there any other Australian language dictionaries on Wikisource ? | |||
[17:33] <sDrewth> none of which I am aware, though I cannot say that I have explored that space | |||
[17:33] <sDrewth> File:A Descriptive Vocabulary of the Language in Common Use Amongst the Aborigines of Western Australia.djvu | |||
[17:33] <jayvdb> https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Portal:Australia#Transcription_projects lists a few about Indigenous Australians, but no dictionaries | |||
[17:33] <sDrewth> exists at Commons | |||
[17:34] <jayvdb> a Dictionaries portal would be good | |||
[17:34] <jayvdb> there is a https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Portal:Languages | |||
[17:36] <sDrewth> that last File seems to be part of one "Diary of ten years eventful life of an early settler in Western Australia" anyway | |||
[17:36] <jayvdb> oh, I started https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Index:A_Descriptive_Vocabulary_of_the_Language_in_Common_Use_Amongst_the_Aborigines_of_Western_Australia.djvu | |||
[17:37] <sDrewth> I haven't done an indepth view | |||
[17:40] <jayvdb> does anyone have questions or ideas they want to discuss? | |||
[17:42] <brian__> The finacial year is now over. When will be the AGM? | |||
[17:46] <jayvdb> the ctte hasnt discussed dates | |||
[17:47] <jayvdb> any suggestions? | |||
[17:49] <brian__> If we do not have to make changes in the people responsible for fund-raising after the AGM, then October will do | |||
[17:49] <brian__> otherwise September | |||
[17:50] <brian__> It has to be done before end of November | |||
[17:50] <brian__> However we need the audit of accounts for the AGM | |||
[17:53] <jayvdb> ive added the 'before December' rule to http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/General_meeting | |||
[17:54] <brian__> The rule is actually "within five months of the end of the financial year" but "before December" will do | |||
[17:56] <frazerwa> within 5 months after the end of the Association's financial year; and also we have to lodge the annual stqatement within 1 months of holding the meeting | |||
[17:56] <frazerwa> *statement* *1 month* | |||
[17:56] <jayvdb> All of our fundraising representatives are able to stay on in those roles, baring an unexpected problem | |||
[17:57] <jayvdb> I think aiming for September is a good idea. | |||
[17:59] <frazerwa> we need to check if we can have our financial statements in time for the AGM so we might also have to look at October | |||
[18:00] <jayvdb> nod | |||
[18:00] <frazerwa> we have various other aspects to put in place also that are important | |||
[18:02] <jayvdb> such as? | |||
[18:02] <Chriswaterguy> Heh - didn't notice the activity here - I'll need to actually set an alarm next time :-) | |||
[18:03] <frazerwa> we need to clarify as per the 2011 Returning Officer's recommendations for voting; | |||
[18:03] <jayvdb> would be good to write up more detailed minutes of the last AGM. | |||
[18:03] <frazerwa> and we have discussed the possibility of Rule changes which need thorough discussion | |||
[18:04] <frazerwa> jayvdb - yes | |||
[18:04] <jayvdb> thanks for bringing up rule changes. we do need to identify those early | |||
[18:05] <frazerwa> they have been identified and captured as such; they have not been discussed on comm page yet but we are ready to do this thing | |||
[18:05] <russavia> can someone tell me how to unsubscribe from members@wikimedia.org.au ? | |||
[18:05] <frazerwa> oh russavia, why? | |||
[18:05] <jayvdb> russavia: email me and it will be done. | |||
[18:05] <russavia> i'm quitting projects at end of july | |||
[18:06] <russavia> tx john | |||
[18:07] <Addi|HIMYM> russavia: :O really? :( | |||
[18:08] <jayvdb> are there any rule changes the membership wants to have considered | |||
[18:09] <Chriswaterguy> jayvdb: "winner gets a trip to Jakarta to the screening of Truth in Numbers" -> cue variation on an old joke: "runner-up gets a trip to Jakarta to the screening of Truth in Numbers - winner is allowed to stay at home." | |||
[18:09] <frazerwa> we will of course seek membership consideration on the changes; first we need to get them in order and prepared | |||
[18:09] <jayvdb> the prior public discussions about rule changes are at http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Talk:Rules | |||
[18:17] <jayvdb> was the 2011 Returning Officer's recommendations for voting published ? | |||
[18:18] <brian__> Sorry, I had to step away and will now have to go out. I support what Anne says above | |||
[18:19] <jayvdb> found it. http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Election_Report_-_2011-2012_WMAU_Committee_Nominations_and_Voting | |||
[18:20] <jayvdb> brian__: will you be the returning officer again, if the issues identified last time are addressed? | |||
[18:21] <jayvdb> if any rule changes are necessary before the AGM, we will need to conduct an SGM first | |||
[18:48] <jayvdb> in re last public meeting .. http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Meeting:Public_%282012-06-03%29 | |||
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[18:49] <jayvdb> Peter-} did download the dumps of enwiki (and other wikis) and sent them to Melbourne | |||
[18:50] <jayvdb> the tech guys in Melbourne had difficulty installing enwiki onto the cloud. it is still not up and running | |||
[18:51] <jayvdb> unless someone else is interesting in trying, the USB drive will be sent to Craig | |||
[18:53] <brian__> I'm back. Yes, I will be Returning Officer if the committee wants me to be. I suggested an appointment this month | |||
[18:54] <u99of9> bah, missed the whole meeting, sorry | |||
[18:54] <u99of9> is the log up already? | |||
[18:55] <u99of9> or are you still going? | |||
[18:56] <jayvdb> still going | |||
[18:57] <jayvdb> partial log at http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/Meeting:Public_%282012-07-01%29/Log | |||
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[19:03] <jayvdb_> regarding finances and the future, the Funds Dissemination Committee is still a work in progress, but it is expected to be up and running by the end of the year, and we'll be expected to submit an annual plan by then | |||
[19:04] <jayvdb_> see http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC for more info about that organisation | |||
[19:04] * jayvdb_ is now known as jayvdb | |||
[19:05] <jayvdb> are there any major items that members would like to see in our annual plan for next year? | |||
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[19:07] <jayvdb> (or non-members ;-) | |||
[19:08] <gnangarra> some townhall type events in each city where the committee attends | |||
[19:11] <jayvdb> how much should be allocated to these events? | |||
[19:16] <frazerwa> we need to id events and correspondingly identify the likely costs associated with the different types of events | |||
[19:17] <brian__> I must leave again - dinner. I'll check the log later | |||
[19:17] <jayvdb> should we be flying a few committee members, and/or groups of the national Wiki community, to attend these town hall meetings? | |||
[19:18] <gnangarra> definately some committee, maybe someone from OS if they can do a couple in go | |||
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[19:23] <jayvdb> this could fit under the core stragegy item of http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Strategic_Plan#Core:_Support_volunteer_initiatives | |||
[19:23] <jayvdb> "promoting local events to allow Australian editors and volunteers to build local community networks" | |||
[19:23] <gnangarra> treat the townhalls as a way to engage with smaller local glams, editors and local media | |||
[19:23] <jayvdb> nod | |||
[19:26] <jayvdb> how many of them should be budget for? | |||
[19:26] <jayvdb> e.g. how many should be hold in the Perth region? | |||
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[19:27] <gnangarra> two, one perth, one regional over the same weekend | |||
[19:27] <gnangarra> adelaid would be similar | |||
[19:30] <gnangarra> you could also repeat if necessary later on, but getting people here is costly and time consuming so you'd want bang for bucks | |||
[19:30] <jayvdb> two for most states & territories sounds ok, esp if one must be regional. three for Syd and Melb? | |||
[19:31] <russavia> l8rz all | |||
[19:31] <jayvdb> IMO this sounds like a program we should also include NZ for, esp. if we are going to be bringing intl ppl | |||
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[19:33] <gnangarra> yup nz sounds good, maybe a PNG as well in the longer term | |||
[19:33] <jayvdb> if another member supports this proposal, we can put it up on the wiki and develop it there | |||
[19:33] <frazerwa> and Timore Leste too | |||
[19:34] <frazerwa> I am happy to support, but if someone else prefer to ok too | |||
[19:34] <frazerwa> *prefers* | |||
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[19:35] <jayvdb> (hi stuartyeates; we're in a meeting atm; log will be published) | |||
[19:37] <jayvdb> ok Anne, we'll put you down as the seconder. if someone else wants to take over that role, they can. ;-) I'll start writing it up. | |||
[19:37] <jayvdb> any other ideas? | |||
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[19:41] <frazerwa> jayvdb thanks John very terrific | |||
[19:41] <frazerwa> jayvdb have you notice a new application in your email inbox? | |||
[19:42] <u99of9> what exactly do you mean by town hall meeting? and why does it need internationals? | |||
[19:42] <frazerwa> *noticed* | |||
[19:42] <frazerwa> Graham go have a look-listen to your email inbox some nice news | |||
[19:47] <gnangarra> a one day event, to intro WMau, etc with smaller groups so that local editors are able to engage and develope projects on managable scales | |||
[19:50] <sDrewth> jayvdb: you should set up the framework for Sunda language work, and add some help to Index talk:. | |||
[19:54] <sDrewth> otherwise you will be bo-ol | |||
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[20:02] <jayvdb> gnangarra: how is this http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/Proposal:2013_national_town_hall_meeting_program | |||
[20:04] <jayvdb> sDrewth: we're doing in-person training here; many of the participants dont speak English real good | |||
[20:05] <sDrewth> sure, I was thinking of things like adding {{RunningHeader}} to the instructions | |||
[20:05] <gnangarra> I like the application process | |||
[20:05] <sDrewth> use of the status, some are getting it wrong | |||
[20:06] <gnangarra> would add accommodation and transport to costs | |||
[20:07] <jayvdb> sDrewth: nod; expect a lot of wrong over the next few weeks ;-) | |||
[20:08] <sDrewth> yep, and I am adding some messages to some. I would think that adding some instructions to the Index talk: would be a good thing | |||
[20:08] <jayvdb> nods | |||
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[20:08] <sDrewth> also seeing some do the start quote up, and some do it down | |||
[20:09] <sDrewth> so hints on which way is the preference for the work, even how to do low double quote | |||
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[20:10] <sDrewth> Siska.Doviana has been undoing proofread status, which is problematic as I have a choice to revert or to then proofread again twice | |||
[20:11] <jayvdb> all of Bennylins pages should be reset back to 'not proofread', as they are full of errors | |||
[20:12] <sDrewth> ah, but they have been proofread | |||
[20:13] <sDrewth> or if they are proofreading for the second time, then they should be left as proofread rather than advanced | |||
[20:15] <jayvdb> Siska isnt proofreading; she is checking whether the proofreading is being done correctly | |||
[20:16] <frazerwa> the proposal is good; reads well and has great potential | |||
[20:16] <jayvdb> ok, well 5pm has come and gone, so meeting is over, but feel free to throw more ideas around ;-) | |||
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[17:02] * Now talking in #wikimedia-au [17:02] * Topic is 'Welcome to the Wikimedia Australia IRC Channel. Next public meeting is on July 1st at 5 PM AEST (http://time.is/5pm_in_Sydney/Darwin/Adelaide/Perth/Brisbane/Auckland/Vancouver). This channel may be logged.' [17:02] * Topic set by Bidgee|Away!Bidgee@wikimedia-commons/bidgee on Sunday, 03 June 2012 at 20:52:46 [17:02] * Statistics: 1 Ops, 20 Users (Total: 21) [17:03] <Graham87> hi Anne [17:04] * oO has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [17:04] <frazerwa> hi Graham [17:04] <sDrewth> probably russavia [17:05] <sDrewth> done the bins, checked the flooding, come back inside [17:06] <Graham87> the flooding? [17:06] <sDrewth> I use the flooding lightly, just lots of water flowing through the low parts of the block [17:06] <Graham87> ah not so bad then [17:07] <sDrewth> nah, we live at altitude, so if we flood Werribee and Geelong are doomed [17:07] * brian__ (~chatzilla@CPE-58-165-30-48.vic.bigpond.net.au) has joined #wikimedia-au [17:07] <sDrewth> there has been a lot of rain though [17:08] <Graham87> Hi Brian [17:08] <brian__> Hi folks. I just had to reinstall chatzilla on a new machine and it is not using my usual nick. Never mind. [17:09] <foks> Oh, yes, today's July 1! [17:09] <foks> Woopsie. [17:09] <sDrewth> need to do your tax return? [17:10] * oO (~tanvir@wikimedia/wikitanvir) has joined #wikimedia-au [17:10] <foks> ...yes. bollocjs. [17:10] <foks> *ks [17:11] <jayvdb> I've started our GLAM report http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/June_2012/Contents/Australia_and_New_Zealand_report [17:12] * Chriswaterguy (~User@c211-30-55-215.frank3.vic.optusnet.com.au) has joined #wikimedia-au [17:14] <foks> Hello Chris! [17:14] <jayvdb> wb Chris [17:14] <Graham87> hi Chris [17:16] <Graham87> previous edit to GLAM report was me, forgot to log on [17:16] <jayvdb> as some of you may know, I am over in Indonesia atm. the main project I am working on is a Wikisource project with Wikimedia Indonesia. They are running a competition to transcribe https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Index:A_dictionary_of_the_Sunda_language_of_Java.djvu [17:17] <jayvdb> winner gets a trip to Jakarta to the screening of Truth in Numbers. [17:17] <jayvdb> prize capped at ~$USD 200 [17:18] <jayvdb> resulting activity can be seen at https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:RecentChangesLinked/Index:A_dictionary_of_the_Sunda_language_of_Java.djvu [17:20] <jayvdb> it would be good if we ran a similar competition to transcribe something like https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Index:An_Australian_language_as_spoken_by_the_Awabakal.djvu [17:20] * p858snake|l (~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake) has joined #wikimedia-au [17:21] <Addi|HIMYM> Oh, hello all :-) [17:24] <foks> jayvdb, sounds like a good idea! [17:25] <sDrewth> <- can think of better things to be doing in Indonesia than transcriptions [17:25] <sDrewth> <sowwy> [17:27] <jayvdb> I can think of better places in Indonesia to be than Jakarta [17:27] <Graham87> what are your impressions of the place? Wikitravel says it's more than a little chaotic, for a start [17:28] <sDrewth> fair call, I know no better either way [17:29] <jayvdb> Graham87: is certainly is that [17:29] <jayvdb> https://twitter.com/jayvdb/status/218571523299098624 [17:30] <jayvdb> and I spend way more time in taxis than I want [17:30] <jayvdb> I suspect that this is why they use mobile technology so much - they are stuck in traffic [17:31] <frazerwa> the compilation of the dictionary looks very interesting [17:31] <Graham87> @jayvbd: oh gawd, I thought Rome was bad ... [17:31] <jayvdb> sDrewth: are there any other Australian language dictionaries on Wikisource ? [17:33] <sDrewth> none of which I am aware, though I cannot say that I have explored that space [17:33] <sDrewth> File:A Descriptive Vocabulary of the Language in Common Use Amongst the Aborigines of Western Australia.djvu [17:33] <jayvdb> https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Portal:Australia#Transcription_projects lists a few about Indigenous Australians, but no dictionaries [17:33] <sDrewth> exists at Commons [17:34] <jayvdb> a Dictionaries portal would be good [17:34] <jayvdb> there is a https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Portal:Languages [17:36] <sDrewth> that last File seems to be part of one "Diary of ten years eventful life of an early settler in Western Australia" anyway [17:36] <jayvdb> oh, I started https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Index:A_Descriptive_Vocabulary_of_the_Language_in_Common_Use_Amongst_the_Aborigines_of_Western_Australia.djvu [17:37] <sDrewth> I haven't done an indepth view [17:40] <jayvdb> does anyone have questions or ideas they want to discuss? [17:42] <brian__> The finacial year is now over. When will be the AGM? [17:46] <jayvdb> the ctte hasnt discussed dates [17:47] <jayvdb> any suggestions? [17:49] <brian__> If we do not have to make changes in the people responsible for fund-raising after the AGM, then October will do [17:49] <brian__> otherwise September [17:50] <brian__> It has to be done before end of November [17:50] <brian__> However we need the audit of accounts for the AGM [17:53] <jayvdb> ive added the 'before December' rule to http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/General_meeting [17:54] <brian__> The rule is actually "within five months of the end of the financial year" but "before December" will do [17:56] <frazerwa> within 5 months after the end of the Association's financial year; and also we have to lodge the annual stqatement within 1 months of holding the meeting [17:56] <frazerwa> *statement* *1 month* [17:56] <jayvdb> All of our fundraising representatives are able to stay on in those roles, baring an unexpected problem [17:57] <jayvdb> I think aiming for September is a good idea. [17:59] <frazerwa> we need to check if we can have our financial statements in time for the AGM so we might also have to look at October [18:00] <jayvdb> nod [18:00] <frazerwa> we have various other aspects to put in place also that are important [18:02] <jayvdb> such as? [18:02] <Chriswaterguy> Heh - didn't notice the activity here - I'll need to actually set an alarm next time :-) [18:03] <frazerwa> we need to clarify as per the 2011 Returning Officer's recommendations for voting; [18:03] <jayvdb> would be good to write up more detailed minutes of the last AGM. [18:03] <frazerwa> and we have discussed the possibility of Rule changes which need thorough discussion [18:04] <frazerwa> jayvdb - yes [18:04] <jayvdb> thanks for bringing up rule changes. we do need to identify those early [18:05] <frazerwa> they have been identified and captured as such; they have not been discussed on comm page yet but we are ready to do this thing [18:05] <russavia> can someone tell me how to unsubscribe from members@wikimedia.org.au ? [18:05] <frazerwa> oh russavia, why? [18:05] <jayvdb> russavia: email me and it will be done. [18:05] <russavia> i'm quitting projects at end of july [18:06] <russavia> tx john [18:07] <Addi|HIMYM> russavia: :O really? :( [18:08] <jayvdb> are there any rule changes the membership wants to have considered [18:09] <Chriswaterguy> jayvdb: "winner gets a trip to Jakarta to the screening of Truth in Numbers" -> cue variation on an old joke: "runner-up gets a trip to Jakarta to the screening of Truth in Numbers - winner is allowed to stay at home." [18:09] <frazerwa> we will of course seek membership consideration on the changes; first we need to get them in order and prepared [18:09] <jayvdb> the prior public discussions about rule changes are at http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Talk:Rules [18:17] <jayvdb> was the 2011 Returning Officer's recommendations for voting published ? [18:18] <brian__> Sorry, I had to step away and will now have to go out. I support what Anne says above [18:19] <jayvdb> found it. http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Election_Report_-_2011-2012_WMAU_Committee_Nominations_and_Voting [18:20] <jayvdb> brian__: will you be the returning officer again, if the issues identified last time are addressed? [18:21] <jayvdb> if any rule changes are necessary before the AGM, we will need to conduct an SGM first [18:48] <jayvdb> in re last public meeting .. http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Meeting:Public_%282012-06-03%29 [18:49] * u99of9 (~chatzilla@202-159-168-127.dyn.iinet.net.au) has joined #wikimedia-au [18:49] <jayvdb> Peter-} did download the dumps of enwiki (and other wikis) and sent them to Melbourne [18:50] <jayvdb> the tech guys in Melbourne had difficulty installing enwiki onto the cloud. it is still not up and running [18:51] <jayvdb> unless someone else is interesting in trying, the USB drive will be sent to Craig [18:53] <brian__> I'm back. Yes, I will be Returning Officer if the committee wants me to be. I suggested an appointment this month [18:54] <u99of9> bah, missed the whole meeting, sorry [18:54] <u99of9> is the log up already? [18:55] <u99of9> or are you still going? [18:56] <jayvdb> still going [18:57] <jayvdb> partial log at http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/Meeting:Public_%282012-07-01%29/Log [18:58] * jayvdb_ (~jayvdb@wikimedia/Jayvdb) has joined #wikimedia-au [19:00] * oO has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [19:01] * jayvdb has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [19:03] <jayvdb_> regarding finances and the future, the Funds Dissemination Committee is still a work in progress, but it is expected to be up and running by the end of the year, and we'll be expected to submit an annual plan by then [19:04] <jayvdb_> see http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC for more info about that organisation [19:04] * jayvdb_ is now known as jayvdb [19:05] <jayvdb> are there any major items that members would like to see in our annual plan for next year? [19:07] * oO (~tanvir@wikimedia/wikitanvir) has joined #wikimedia-au [19:07] <jayvdb> (or non-members ;-) [19:08] <gnangarra> some townhall type events in each city where the committee attends [19:11] <jayvdb> how much should be allocated to these events? [19:16] <frazerwa> we need to id events and correspondingly identify the likely costs associated with the different types of events [19:17] <brian__> I must leave again - dinner. I'll check the log later [19:17] <jayvdb> should we be flying a few committee members, and/or groups of the national Wiki community, to attend these town hall meetings? [19:18] <gnangarra> definately some committee, maybe someone from OS if they can do a couple in go [19:20] * foks has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [19:21] * Barebone (~tanvir@wikimedia/wikitanvir) has joined #wikimedia-au [19:21] * oO has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [19:23] <jayvdb> this could fit under the core stragegy item of http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Strategic_Plan#Core:_Support_volunteer_initiatives [19:23] <jayvdb> "promoting local events to allow Australian editors and volunteers to build local community networks" [19:23] <gnangarra> treat the townhalls as a way to engage with smaller local glams, editors and local media [19:23] <jayvdb> nod [19:26] <jayvdb> how many of them should be budget for? [19:26] <jayvdb> e.g. how many should be hold in the Perth region? [19:27] * Addi|HIMYM (~chatzilla@wikimedia/Addihockey10) has left #wikimedia-au (No reason) [19:27] <gnangarra> two, one perth, one regional over the same weekend [19:27] <gnangarra> adelaid would be similar [19:30] <gnangarra> you could also repeat if necessary later on, but getting people here is costly and time consuming so you'd want bang for bucks [19:30] <jayvdb> two for most states & territories sounds ok, esp if one must be regional. three for Syd and Melb? [19:31] <russavia> l8rz all [19:31] <jayvdb> IMO this sounds like a program we should also include NZ for, esp. if we are going to be bringing intl ppl [19:31] * russavia (~russavia@wikimedia/Russavia) has left #wikimedia-au (No reason) [19:33] * Graham87 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [19:33] <gnangarra> yup nz sounds good, maybe a PNG as well in the longer term [19:33] <jayvdb> if another member supports this proposal, we can put it up on the wiki and develop it there [19:33] <frazerwa> and Timore Leste too [19:34] <frazerwa> I am happy to support, but if someone else prefer to ok too [19:34] <frazerwa> *prefers* [19:34] * stuartyeates (~stuartyea@121-73-68-51.cable.telstraclear.net) has joined #wikimedia-au [19:35] <jayvdb> (hi stuartyeates; we're in a meeting atm; log will be published) [19:37] <jayvdb> ok Anne, we'll put you down as the seconder. if someone else wants to take over that role, they can. ;-) I'll start writing it up. [19:37] <jayvdb> any other ideas? [19:38] * Graham87 (~BluFudge@210-079-021-184.dsl.sta.jazi.net) has joined #wikimedia-au [19:41] <frazerwa> jayvdb thanks John very terrific [19:41] <frazerwa> jayvdb have you notice a new application in your email inbox? [19:42] <u99of9> what exactly do you mean by town hall meeting? and why does it need internationals? [19:42] <frazerwa> *noticed* [19:42] <frazerwa> Graham go have a look-listen to your email inbox some nice news [19:47] <gnangarra> a one day event, to intro WMau, etc with smaller groups so that local editors are able to engage and develope projects on managable scales [19:50] <sDrewth> jayvdb: you should set up the framework for Sunda language work, and add some help to Index talk:. [19:54] <sDrewth> otherwise you will be bo-ol [20:02] * Chriswaterguy (~User@c211-30-55-215.frank3.vic.optusnet.com.au) has left #wikimedia-au (No reason) [20:02] <jayvdb> gnangarra: how is this http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/Proposal:2013_national_town_hall_meeting_program [20:04] <jayvdb> sDrewth: we're doing in-person training here; many of the participants dont speak English real good [20:05] <sDrewth> sure, I was thinking of things like adding {{RunningHeader}} to the instructions [20:05] <gnangarra> I like the application process [20:05] <sDrewth> use of the status, some are getting it wrong [20:06] <gnangarra> would add accommodation and transport to costs [20:07] <jayvdb> sDrewth: nod; expect a lot of wrong over the next few weeks ;-) [20:08] <sDrewth> yep, and I am adding some messages to some. I would think that adding some instructions to the Index talk: would be a good thing [20:08] <jayvdb> nods [20:08] * Barebone has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [20:08] <sDrewth> also seeing some do the start quote up, and some do it down [20:09] <sDrewth> so hints on which way is the preference for the work, even how to do low double quote [20:09] * Shrek (~tanvir@wikimedia/wikitanvir) has joined #wikimedia-au [20:10] <sDrewth> Siska.Doviana has been undoing proofread status, which is problematic as I have a choice to revert or to then proofread again twice [20:11] <jayvdb> all of Bennylins pages should be reset back to 'not proofread', as they are full of errors [20:12] <sDrewth> ah, but they have been proofread [20:13] <sDrewth> or if they are proofreading for the second time, then they should be left as proofread rather than advanced [20:15] <jayvdb> Siska isnt proofreading; she is checking whether the proofreading is being done correctly [20:16] <frazerwa> the proposal is good; reads well and has great potential [20:16] <jayvdb> ok, well 5pm has come and gone, so meeting is over, but feel free to throw more ideas around ;-)